June, 2008

By Adaoma


Polemics over Religion/Christianity - part 1


Adaoma Wrote:
Beloved Goddess Isis:

Let's get to the video. You presented this "divine Afrikan", anti-Christian, dashiki wearing cowboy with a ponytail, who misquotes Karl Marx and quotes Stevie Wonder lyrics while making reference to Edgar Allan Poe's short story of the Spanish inquisition. His name is Phil Valentine.

I don't have to go to my pastor to deal with your Bishop Dr. Phil Valentine or anyone else you can present.

To distinguish this anti-Christian Valentine from the one on this list, I shall refer to him as Dr. Phil.

Dr. Phil said that Christianity is the "Church of Satan". First mistake. One does not use Christian concepts to refute Christianity. "Satan", the father of lies is a Biblical Christian term...it has equivolents in many other religions by other names. By describing Chrisitianity as the Church of Satan, Dr. Phil is saying that Satan is valid. If Satan is valid, it implies that the Bible from whence it comes is valid.

Secondarily, Dr. Phil points out the books that were kept out of the King James Versions. Further, it means that even if Dr. Phil had all of the banned, deleted or rejected books, he is just as ignorant as he calls the rest of us. For, unless he can translate Latin, Hebrew, Amharic or Greek, he is dependent upon the interpretation of those who have translated them...upon their politics, their socialization and their prejudices....same as the rest of us.

If God is omniscient, which I believe is so, Truth, cannot be be lost in deletion or lost in translation.

Dr. Phil starts off saying that Constantine is the 'father of Christianity'. Says who? Jesus is the beginning and the end of Christianity, which is defined in Acts. The study of what Jesus said and did and the acts of his disciples...defines Christianity. "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith". Hebrews 12:2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QedUHQwtU&feature=related

Dr. Phil's argument that nothing was written until after the 100 years after his crucifixion.

Would he say that all the centuries of Africa's history did not exist, was not valid, was bogus because it was "not written". This fake scholar's "argument" flies in the face of the African griots, oral traditionalists and storyteller who preserved history of their village and clan.

More importantly, however, is that there are early writings that talk about Jesus' crucifixion. They are discounted by this cowboy hat wearing, dashiki wearing fake as being "forged" and "disputed". They are Josephus and two Roman writers, who Dr. Phil does not mention. When one counts the writers of the gospels and epistles, that is quite a number of writers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nzByATLN7IA&feature=related

All anyone needs to do is to produce the body of Jesus to refute the crucifixion, burial and ascension. In 2000 year, no one has.

But, let us migrate to present day earthly matters. Instead of finding ways to beat up on people of African descent in every missive you and Osiris forward, and criticizing on matters of faith which cannot be proved or disproved,why not look at matters upon which we can agree...economic and political oppression.

I respect your right to worship the doctrine of Osiris and to bow to flawed mortals, which you call divine, though they are not omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent. I respect your right to put Africa and Africans on a pedestal, while they laugh at you and call you "akata" behind your back in Matto's moderator circle. I respect your right to believe in aliens from outspace and the sin of Ego. I respect that you call yourself a goddess and proselytize on the web for people to be like you. You come from a long line of worshippers We all do, To be god-believers is the legacy of mankind.

Ultimately, your argument is with all humanity, not me.

Chasing a few preachers over their limos is less important than chasing Exxon over its demolition of millions.
Adaoma

goddess IsIs wrote:

Beloved Adaoma:

Power understands Power.

What power...and the likes of do any Black Afrikan have to attack Exxon Mobile...and the likes of, Principalities in High places?

Our people do not exercise the Power to return to their restored mind-set, return to their Original Land (Afrika) so we can be in control of what is ours. What power do our people have to attack that which they can not defeat, and for what purpose would it serve Black Afrikans or whatever we choose to call ourselves, to attack Exxon...and the likes of? That is like a 6th Grader going up agaisnt a 12th Grader. We know what happens if that happens.

Most of our people do not allow Divine Truth/Reality to attack the EGO, envy, jealousy, strife, malice, confusion within us, the enemies within.

Where I find lies and deception, Divine Truth/Reality will attack Lies and deception like a Rottweiler/bulldog. It is our people mind-set that I am interested in seeing restored and returning back to Beloved Afrika in our Divine mind-set. Identifying those who are operating in their wrong mind-set is not attacking, it is Identifying and awareness that there are Cancerous Cells (liars & deceivers) in the Black Afrikan body.

I have T.D. Jakes video, Woman Thou Art Loose, and when I saw it, I Got Loosed, out of the churches, because to be truly Loose is to be loosed from Lies and deception.

How have any of these Profits help liberated Black Afrikaans? Are we back in Afrika doing our Divine Afrikan thing. Did they all come together with the money they made and invested in Afrika? Success is also having a Divine Right mind-set.

The Vampires of Consciousness Part 1 Phil Valentine
All religions encompasses the church of Satan.
Ignorance is the Mother of Devotion.
Christianity is Crack or the soul. Religion is the crack pipe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QedUHQwtU&feature=related

When you go to your Church ask your pastor where is the Conscious, subconscious, Super Conscious located in our body, and ask she/her to explain the DNA. Ask you pastor to explain the function of MIND, BODY, SPIRIT & SOUL. Have her/him break it down, and break it down right.

Ask T.D. Jakes, Creflo...and the likes of what Information can not be Google Searched, found in libraries, libraries and the bible.

If we are NOT teaching our people how to return to their once Divine mind-set, Oneness with the Divine some call God, Universe/nature, & our Cosmic Ancestors, that person is someone who don't know, Don't wanna Know, and if they do know, and not telling the people about their once Divine mind-set, It is a Profit in Sheep clothes.

When the Black Afrikan Womb Gender (females) returns back to her Divine Goddess state of mind, the whole world will be saved.

Black Afrikan Womb Gender (females), the majority of you are still Womb Genders (females) NOT Loosed, from the NOOSES lies and deception.

Divine Loving



goddess IsIs Akkebala
ANSWERCESTOR -Being The Change Afrikans/World Needs To See
Divine Spirituality IS MY Identity/Reality/Crown/Title/Gift/All-


--- On Fri, 5/30/08, nwaakwukwo wrote:

From: nwaakwukwo
Subject: Re: Boyce Watkins hits TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Blingin Pastors
To: talknigeria@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 6:36 PM

Goddess, would to God, that you (and those who think as you do) would be so tenaciously anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist, anti-classist and anti-racist as you are anti-Christian.

Why haven't you so attacked Exxon Mobil which made over $39 billion dollars in profits in 2007, while the people of the Niger Delta, where the oil is harvested, live like this:

Rural poor in the Niger Delta
As for Watkins, he generalizes about Christian pastors and Christians. I think his statements are about him and his daddy's church and no one else. I think it is petty of him to go after pastor's with big cars and mega profits and be silent about businesses with big workforces and mega profits. Its gullible simpeltons, like him, who after thousands of workers are layed off indefinitely from their auto making jobs because corporations becry profit loss, that will stand in line a few months later and pay $15 to see cars they cannot buy.


I don't put T.D. Jakes in the category of any of the other preachers that were mentioned in this investigation. Jakes has a body of work in the ministry. Have you read his "Woman, Art Loosed", book. When I say ministry, I mean that he caters to the needs of the poor, the broken, the incarcerated and his works do follow him. I have, however, submitted Creflo Dollar's response because he is the only one who did respond. Here is his response.

Creflo Dollar's response to scrutiny of mega church's finances is in the two links below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5CZer3tVc&feature=related
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ivUTS9xl8&feature=related
Part 2

TD Jakes: The purpose of the Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-GKHgK1e0&NR=1

Adaoma


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=491GO0zfzr4&feature=email


Video Description

The senate recently announced that it is going to investigate some of the megachurches and wealthy ministries, including those of Eddie Long, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollary, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyers and others. Dr. Watkins, as a Finance Professor, weighs in with his perspective on the issue. He simply asks the question "What would Jesus do?"

Dr. Watkins has appeared on ESPN, CNN, BET, Fox News, CBS and other networks fighting for racial equality. He and Al Sharpton appeared on The Wendy Williams Experience in New York, and Watkins has also gotten into powerful feuds with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News (The O'Reilly Factor) and Sean Hannity of Hannity & Colmes. He has appeared with Michael Eric Dyson many times, The Rev. Jesse Jackson and other African-Americans fighting for equal rights for black people. Watkins was one of the first to bring the Jena 6 case to light in national media, and he also was the one who gave Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson the idea to attack Don Imus' corporate sponsors. It was ultimately Watkins' idea that took Imus off the air.
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